“The whole CC (concealed carry) vs. OC (open carry) debate was started by legitimate training companies to drive up sales, nothing more. Every advocate of CC versus OC is a training company, or a supporter of such companies.” – AZ boots n saddles
I have to agree, our friend AZ may have a point, a point followed by something possibly darker and harder to nail down – the unconscious acceptance of government authority over a right that has become regulated.
Would there be any arguments in the gun community if concealed carry did not involve begging our oppressive government for approval to do something guaranteed by our constitution? How many recognize that our personal arms are the only personal property specifically protected by the Constitution and the anti-Federalist Bill of Rights?
Emotional and irrational statements, statistically untenable propositions, derogatory attacks and decent into juvenile verbiage – the signs of the typical statist anti-gunner, yes but sadly it has become the standard signs of the new anti-OC/only CC is viable proponents, a bunch similar to the haughty hunting-only elitists like the disgraced (black rifle hoplophobe) Zumbo.
Here is a typical anti-gun person confronted with the facts disbelief and cognitive dissonance when their irrational fanciful FAITH is shattered with EVIDENCE.
“Carrying a gun is very dangerous. No doubt this data will be corrected soon to show that there have been dozens (or hundreds) of deaths due to road rage, arguments over parking spaces, lover’s quarrels and the like. And likely thousands of deaths due to negligent discharges. The manslaughter cases for the NDs are probably still working their way through the courts, along with the murder cases. There’s no way almost 403,000 people with concealed carry licenses could only produce one murder and no manslaughters. That would mean everything I’ve been taught about the extreme dangers of concealed carry is wrong. And that’s just … unpossible(sic).”
No, mr. cognitive-dissonance-educationally-indoctrinated-statist it is a FACT as uncomfortable as you may think it is – it IS a fact.
The above was in response to:
“In 2009 there were 402,914 people in Texas who had Concealed Handgun Licenses. During that same year there was exactly ONE CHL holder convicted of murder, ZERO Capital Murder, ZERO Manslaughter. On that one conviction, we don’t even know if the CHL was relevant. He/she may have done murder by knife for all we know. There were 577 convictions for these crimes of citizens who did not have CHLs. Out of the 402K people who had CHLs it is reasonable to assume that there were cases in which the CHL holder used their gun in self-defense, even if no shots were fired.”
How about more facts: Buckeye Firearms Association
Myth 3: Concealed carry will result in increases in gun related deaths, accidents, road rage and crime in general. Letting (simple, untrained and unwashed) civilians (dirty rednecks) carry concealed will result in gun fights in the streets and the “wild west” in our neighborhoods.
Fact 3: Exactly the opposite happens. Fact 3a: As of 2002 RTC states had 24% lower total violent crime, 22% lower murder, 37% lower robbery, and 20% lower aggravated assault when compared with non-RTC states (FBI crime statistics). “Concerns that permit holders would lose their tempers in traffic accidents have been unfounded. Worries about risks to police officers have also proved unfounded…
National surveys of police show they support concealed handgun laws by a 3-1 margin… There is also not a single academic study that claims RTC laws have increased state crime rates. The debate among academics has been over how large the benefits have been” (“Should Michigan keep new concealed weapon law? Don’t believe gun foe scare tactics,” Detroit News, 1/14/01).
99.9% of self-defense firearms uses do not result in fatal shootings of criminals, an important factor ignored in certain “studies” that are used to claim that guns are more often misused than used for self-protection. Of incarcerated felons surveyed by the Department of Justice, 34% have been driven away, wounded, or captured by armed citizens; 40% have decided against committing crimes for fear their would-be victims were armed.
Then we deal with what you typically see from the gun-ignorant feminized statists in “journalism”
“…people shooting other people for small-time offenses, like stealing the hub caps off cars.”
No factual statistics, no evidence, this statement is of course completely wrong!
“…people hitting bystanders while firing at criminals.”
“…people shooting at criminals then being shot by police who mistake them for criminals during gunfights.”
“…people simply blowing their top and waving around handguns to express their anger.”
“The list of things that can and will go wrong is far longer and more likely than the effective use of a handgun.”
Statistical evidence has proven this not just wrong but completely opposed to the statement.
That’s because 98 percent of these gun enthusiasts won’t have a clue.
Nice little condescending derogatory non-fact pulled from some hack’s nether parts. Not only do I have a clue, but all of the range users I meet are all far more competent and practiced than any police officer I have ever known.
They will have no idea of the laws surrounding self-protection and deadly force.
I have yet to meet a shooter that is not so well versed in the laws that police typically ignorant of (and that should be their job). How many of you are aware that many police departments have a policy of not hiring people with IQs that are “too high”?
They will receive no formal training either in using their weapon or when to use it. They will not regularly practice with that weapon to make sure they can actually hit what they are pointing at. And they most likely won’t know how to maintain that weapon or take the time to do so.
Didn’t we go over this stupid pathetic myth before?
Oh yea… here. (So mr. Journalist hack – please go intercourse yourself with a computer mouse)
“In short, they will have the same fire power as police officers, but without any of the training, preparation and practice to handle an actual deadly force event”
He is right on one point, most shooters I know could actually outfit several police with better firearms, equipment. Counter to what our lickspittle “journalist”so offensively has written most shooters could teach them more about the law, shooting, and politeness.
So again we see such a mass of ignorance that I would cry if I actually cared about the typically leftist statist college-puke man-vagina. (link to the above stupidity)
In conclusion, please if you are a gun owner and an advocate of gun rights understand that CC or OC both prevent crime, stop thinking that somehow the propaganda by advertisers, NRA RHINO whores, instructors who make a living helping you beg for your rights and the anti-gun statists who love to see us trash each other – remember.
Gentlemen we must all hang together or we shall surely all hang (by the neck) separately – Benjamin Franklin
“Our conclusion from the available data is that suicide, murder and violent crime rates are determined by basic social, economic and/or cultural factors with the availability of any particular one of the world’s myriad deadly instrument being irrelevant.”